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Can you say identity theft??
…typing it isn’t saying it
There probably are quite a lot of people who will fall for it, no matter how obvious
This one’s SO obvious, though, that I’d suspect it might be legitimate, simply because it stands out too much not to be noticed and the driver has to return to the vehicle sometime… and it’s not like it wouldn’t stand out on the highway either.
I just have doubts that anyone dumb enough to think he could get away with something like this would have the wherewithal to get the lettering done properly and to know how to set up a fake ATM.
The scammers probably prepared their decals and fake ATM in advance. Then they stole a white van. The fake ATM probably transmits the information on the magstripe and the pin number with a radio or a cell phone. The scammers will be at ATM machines far away. As soon as they get the info, they will drain the accounts.
If they choose the right neighborhood, they can make tens of thousands of dollars in the few hours that the scam will run.
I’m sure the guy who lost his van will appreciate that he will get the ladders back with the van. Bummer about the hole sawed into the side. Another bummer is that they covered his business name with white paint.
In Italy all new ATM and credit cards are smart cards, and banks advice their customers to change every card to the new standard. I’d go even further by saying smart cards use is compulsory, I was pretty sure about it, but I saw someone using an old-stile (magstripe) one while purchasing in a shop some time ago. Smart cards have a microchip instead of a magstripe, so they can’t be cloned…
… theoretically. Until someone finds the way to do it, of course. Nevertheless, that wouldn’t be a piece of cake: the microchip is made so that NO private information (crypto keys and the like) is EVER leaked out, AFAIK.
Don’t know about magstripe cards vs smart-cards usage in other countries… is this USA? How does it work there? If magstripe cards aren’t used anymore there, the photo may be old.
Magstripe cards are still the vast majority here.
I see. thanks. I did further research: some sites say that magstripe cards won’t be accepted anymore after the end of this year in Italy. And since smart cards still have the magstripe, there’s a purpose in cloning them until magstripe cards are accepted.
Here in Italy, we hadn’t vans disguised as ATMs, but we had: tampered ATMs with a hidden skimmer (magstripe reader) before the real one and a microcamera above the keypad, fake ATMs installed OVER the real ones, POS machines tampered without the store owners’ knowledge that transmitted magstripes and PINs to criminals… you name it. Even some store owners were criminals: they dropped your card, said “sorry”, and while picking it up they swiped it in a hidden skimmer under the counter. Then they took note of your PIN by looking or by using a “security” cam recording.
No wonder it was decided to phase out magstripe cards…
You have no concept of RFID technology if you think no information is ever leaked out. You probably also think it’s not possible to listen in on your cellphone conversations with a cheap antenna booster and some soldering. Ahh, the modern luddite. Loves tech, has no idea of its teeth.
Look up smart cards on wiki. They are used in Europe and run on a completely different technology than the newer cards in the US. Smart cards use an embedded chip, no wireless like RFIDs. So much more secure. But i do get your drift about RFID. They are very very unsecure and just plain dangerous with current standards
The big deal about smart cards is that they’re rewritable.
So you can write data to them.
Like, for example, the same data that you read off of another one.
I don’t understand how you could make them foolproof for cloning purposes. Sure, you can encrypt the data such that someone can’t access it in a readable format… but if the machine is expecting the *encrypted* data, you don’t have to decrypt it to encode it.
Wouldn’t it be much easier to have the ATMs verify that the stamped name/acct. number/etc in raised lettering on the card matches the magstripe data? Then you’d have to go to LOT more trouble to duplicate someone’s ATM card, and a scheme like the one described above (which relies on working very quickly) wouldn’t be feasible.
It should use a challenge/response system. Even if you intercept this once, you would only have the response to a single challenge, which likely will never occur again. Same principle like public key cryptography.
Thank you. Justin’s “modern luddite” comment really irritated me.
What’s to stop someone (at your ISP, for example) from reading your passwords for every website you log into (e.g. banks)? Public-key cryptography.
Also.. I think any good challenge-response system is based on public key cryptography.. so I’d be very surprised if the European smart card system doesn’t use it..
but… it’s such a classy paint job.
Dang. Who WOULDn’t want all that pleasant txt on your van?
And I’m sure that hole will make a lovely window.
Jeez, hang curtains if you don’t like the draft.
Oops, I was wrong. Looks like the only scamming going on here is the use of the highest ATM transaction fee allowed by law. He is a handyman by day, and ATM operator in the evening. Googling finds many pictures of the ATM van in different locations over a period of at least 5 months.
I would include URL’s and email addresses, but that leads to moderation.
You don’t have to say “machine”. It’s already an Automated Teller Machine.
So I wonder how long till someone steals the van?
you mean again?
OK, I get that it’s a fake van trying to scam you by stealing your PIN number, but why the hell are there two aluminum ladders sitting in a rack on top of it?
I think “boring troll” (october 7), hit on that…
Carpenter by day, ATM at night, (or anytime it’s parked).
WHAT A CONCEPT!
Free enterprise, baby.
But… would YOU trust it?!~
maybe is for the midget… 😄
actually, i wouldn’t doubt this is legit. mobile atm vans actually DO exist.
Yeah, but do the LEGIT mobile ATMs come built into pedobear-style vans that have roof racks with ladders on them? Really?
And… advertise with:
“Get yo money HERE- The otha side FOOL!!”???
I guess you SHOULD use the language of your intended vict…
Maybe you should try not being a douche?
soundls like it dispenses banks
Any of you bright sparks try calling the phone number? 1 310 824 3593
the phone number made an appearance in the classified section of a small local newspaper. it was a phone number for a handyman service. that’s consistent with the ladders and roof rack.
Hey, that’s in Westwood (next to UCLA). If it was 825, it’d actually be on campus.
It’s a Los Angeles number…
Sorry. I’m in Philly. I’d rather not rack in the long distance call.
No worries. I’m sure the local police &/or SW Regional FBI have already checked it.
“long distance?” What’s that? You mean your phone charges you different for interstate calls? How 20th century.
These are used at festivals, conventions and the like. They are usually built into stands so you might not even notice it’s a van. The more common version however is to have two or thee ATMs mounted into a ordinary shipping container. It’s perfectly legit and safe.
You guys need to get out more.
I’ve seen quite a few. They were all completely customized for the task at hand. They appeared mass produced. For those built into shipping containers, the shipping container was sanded smooth before it was painted. No ladders on top, or any other hints that the shipping container ever had any other purpose. That van has been dented, and it is missing a hubcap. They all had the name of a real banks. They had professional looking full color graphics. They were exceptionally well lit. The event ATMs were on the maps provided by the event.
The real key. American ATMs usually have advertisements for unrelated financial services. They don’t just promise to “get yo money”.
I do get out, but I am not about to put my ATM card into an ATM with wheels. Sorry.
Its a cell phone – went to voicemail. I’ll give it a try tomorrow.
Google is your friend. The Beverly Hill Courier from December 17,2008, on page 14 has the ad:
Carpentry, kitchen &
roofing. All Types of
Perhaps Mike sold his van and his phone number when the economy went bad.
The oldest picture of the van that I’ve found so far, is from April 13, 2010. It was taken from another angle. That picture is large enough to read the email address.
Which is a email address designed to look sort of like a website address.
Sold his phone number?
At least it’s an honest enough “bank” to call us fools to our faces
In an earlier post, I included the email address from the side of the van, so that message was moderated. I’ve found a yet older picture from January 14th, 2010 and the commentary provides more details.
The van is often double parked outside of the cash only business, “PINKS”. That picture shows some of the same dents on the doors, but only one ladder. It had a cheaper ladder rack on the roof and there was duct tape around the passenger side window.
If the guy had the time to install a welded frame ladder rack, that implies that he is still running his handyman business.
You have to be
Yoda, you are?
This can’t be any worse than those banks that defrauded the entire world economy few years ago.
Need a dispenser here!
Need a dispenser here!
Damn you beat me to it.
I pity the fool that falls for this.
The scammers pity the fools who’re at the wrong side.
My mattress is my bank. Open 24/7/365¼.
Get back to work, Dwight. ; )
I’ve heard Mattress Bank has a fantastic high yield interest rate of 0.00%
on the other side fool!
i reverse looked up the phone number. it’s somewhere in LA.
good for you for reading the comments too! Did you notice that at one point at least it was registered to a handyman?
I pitty the fool who don’t use this mobile ATM!
If it were legit though, it would be pretty nice.
but you can take the car..and leave with all the money..
Okay – So, “Mobile Bank” is the branch name of the bank? Anything legit would have their branch name plastered ALL OVER IT! This is pretty darn funny, though!
That’ IT!! “Mobile Bank” of Mobile, Alabama.
Of course. How could we miss that?
This is my step dad’s work van. I can confirm it is not a scam or a joke. He is a general contractor, hence the roof rack, ladders and miscellaneous dents in the van. I was informed recently that he is giving up the mobile bank dispenser biz. He told me that when he parked outside of the nightclubs to gain some business for his machine, women would want to get their picture taken with the van, but would not use the bank dispenser!!! Personally I think the idea would have worked flawlessly, unfortunately the customer base he tried to target are fools!! ;^)
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